Feminists are not happy Miss. Universe contestants want to be judged, and compete for their looks.
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Isn’t that hypocritical for a movement that claims to advocate ”choices” for women to not want women to make the choice to be able to participate in a beauty pageant?
Apparently, feminists don’t like women participating in beauty pageants because they’ll be judged based on their looks, how is being judged for your looks any different from being judged by your intelligence? Don’t tell me it’s because intelligence needs work and not looks, because to be beautiful, you need to be born beautiful and take care of yourself. For intelligence, you need to be born intelligent and practice your intelligence (at whatever thing you want to be ”intelligent” at).
How are beauty pageants, supposedly misogynistic, different from bodybuilding contests, where contestants are also judged on looks?
Who is forcing these women to participate anyway?
Shouldn’t one be proud of being beautiful and wanting to show the world?
So if it’s misogynistic for a woman to enter a beauty pageant because it reinforces the diea that women only have value if they’re pretty, then isn’t it misandristic for men to work because it reinforces the idea that men are only valued if they have a good job? Since more men work than women are in beauty pageant, I would say our society is more misandristic (at least this area).
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There are some sets of people in which those who are jealous of other members for things such as beauty simply complain more than those who are jealous of things in other sets.
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Thanks bro for supporting my point… Excellent question! That will tell you something about how much they really care about women… I bet if there was Miss Jealous B..tch contest they’d say it is the best thing since sliced bread…
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I agree. It’s not like those women are being judged only on their looks either. Most of those ****** seem to have 3 degrees and run their own businesses. So they have a nice face and look hot in a swimsuit. I wouldn’t mind if I did. As far as role models go, I don’t think they are too bad. They are certainly better role model potential than many sport stars we have to hear about. I think I’d rather it wasn’t men judging the contest though. I’m not sure what is wrong with beauty. I expect even hard-core feminists are deliberate about their appearance.
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I have nothing against women who want to participate in beauty pageants.. But at the same time I do believe that they are degrading themselves and women as a whole. These type of contests treat women like sexual objects. We’re objectified enough.. It gets sickening after a while.
However, if a woman chooses to degrade herself, so be it. Afterall, I do promote choice.
And you’re right-bodybuilding is the same in my opinion. Just as degrading.
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Obviously these feminists are jealous of the fact that they will never win a beauty pageant, so they inveigh vehemently about how beauty pageants are inherently oppressive to women, thereby making a virtue of of the necessity of shouting sour grapes!
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I’m not going to try to place a moratorium on either beauty pageants or bodybuilding contests. I just disagree with the concepts.
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Excellent point!
Am referring to the hypocrisy of a movement supposedly advocating for women’s rights, but only selectively.
I mentioned something similiar in response to Ronnie’s question about the femis’ reaction to his initial inquiry regarding beauty pageants…but thanks for expanding on it.
Celebrating beauty in all its dimensions, any way, shape or form is art, to me, however, I also think there are other attributes that could be celebrated and deemed as such, besides the external.
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No, the issue is that women need to be valued for more than a) looks or b) motherhood. Beauty pageants are a product of our misogynist society that thinks it’s okay to parade women around like pieces of meat. Please recall everyone’s reaction when Tara Conner was found to be bringing guys up to her apartment, and having *** – an apology was demanded, and she was shamed. So on one hand, you’re supposed to parade around like a *** object, but on the other hand, you’re not allowed to have ***. Your body doesn’t belong to you. It is sick.
Of course women make the choice to be in beauty pageants. But women are also taught that our worth is derived from our looks, so it’s not really surprising that women have internalized their oppression to the extent that they willfully participate in it. Men are not valued for their looks, so you can’t really compare that to bodybuilding contests (which is also based on accomplishment… let’s face it, most of those guys are NOT attractive, so they’re certainly not being judged on their attractiveness).
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You are half right, you need to be born beautiful OR have a good plastic surgeon.
No matter how well you care for yourself if you were born with a nose the size of the peninsula of Florida, you aren’t going anywhere on the pageant trail.
With the advent of steroids, male bodybuilding also took an unhealthy turn.
I have to laugh at the thumbs down, are you trying to tell me that all those beautiful girls never had braces or nose jobs, skin peels or implants, its all natural right?
When they were truly beauty pageants, before the advent of surgical intervention they were individuals, but now that we can all be cut and snipped to be beautiful there is an tendency to have one standard of beauty, and if you don’t match it you aren’t going to be considered beautiful so you aren’t being judged on your innate beauty, you are being judged on the quality of your plastic surgeon. And that’s just not a comfortable place to be. Its not something the average woman wants to feel she needs to get a job or married, or do anything else that’s worth while.
We always judge people on their looks, but we have been given examples that are now unreachable even by the people who have them.
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Did anyone say they shouldn’t have the “choice”? Don’t we have the “choice” to critique an antiquated and dehumanizing “contest” that reinforces the socially entrenched notion that women are “nothing more” than what they have to offer physically?
It is different from a body building contest because the idea that men should be judged and valued solely for their physical attributes is not a part of our culture. That women should be judged in such a way, is.
As for being “judged” for being intelligent, to do so requires that you see the person as a “person”, and not an object.
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Ill never understand how an intelligent woman is “better” than a beautifull women regarding to feminists. Did intelligent women gave us lambos cured aids brought us to the moon or enabled interstellar travel ?
No. Thanks for nothing “intelligent” women.
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Not my cup of tea (too ugly lol), but these women deserve credit for the effort they put into their image. Your idea of the perfect woman may not be the same as theirs.
I think it takes courage and strength of character to allow yourself to be judged like that. I certainly wouldn’t want to be picked apart the way that they are -physically or mentally.
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I would never have chosen to go the pageant route when I was younger, just so MUCH time and money, but I had friends who did and it never bothered me. Most of them didn’t have alot of money and were hitching their hopes on getting scholarships so that they COULD go college and have a better future. They weren’t brilliant girls who could count on academic scholarships. They were very nice and personable though and none of the pageant girls that I met were stuck up or any more vain than any other teenage girl. They really are scholarship programs (well not all) and some young women opt for that choice, it’s not easy either.No, they couldn’t have spent the time studying and gotten academic scholarships, like I said, they weren’t particularly gifted and the ones I knew weren’t prettier than most of the girls at school. When you watch those shows, I’m sure that you all know prettier women. Besides the pageants are hysterical, my mother and I talk on the phone each year during miss America and just ***** each other up!!!!!!!!!!
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Okay, first of all, you have one major flaw in your line of questioning.
Beauty contests are NOT ABOUT BEAUTY. They are about about one singular convention of beauty. They are about being posed and “Who can look airbrushed and artificial without actually being airbrushed?”
Women who participate in “beauty contests” are not even remarkably beautiful. You really can’t tell behind the pounds of makeup and the awkward and creepy posing.
If you think that’s beautiful, you seriously need to get your head checked. Pageants are interesting and unique for what they are (I think they’re kind of hilarious — thank you, Miss Teen South Carolina!), but they aren’t showcasing beautiful women.
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“how is being judged for your looks any different from being judged by your intelligence?”
you have a great point and I have never really looked at it this way. I would say that beauty pageant to me are like mainstream pop music… they are socially accepted and liked but not really for me.
But I would have to argue that women that reach intellectual achievements are prob more satisfied in the long run.
“such as Africa, such as Iraq, such as…” – miss South Carolina (i think) that was funny
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It’s silly to think that all feminists possess the same beliefs about beauty pageants. It’s also silly to think that the main reason they’re against beauty pageants is because they’re just jealous, seriously, ***.
I think part of it is just that it’s all fake. It portrays a false image of what someone needs to look like to be “beautiful”. Younger girls shouldn’t be looking up to stuff like that, the only thing it does is make them feel inferior to other girls based on their appearance. Yeah, weigh 90 lbs, don’t eat anything except salads for a while, look like a heroin addict, whatever.
Things like that turn girls against each other instead of uniting them, and most of us know that girls can be catty enough the way it is, lol.
I wouldn’t try to stop people from going into beauty pageants if that’s what they really wanted to do. It’s none of my business.
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